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Subj:  Jesse Johns
Date: 4/28/98 8:03:14 AM Central Daylight Time
From: ksalisbury@ccsinc.com (Karen L. Salisbury)

I have been going thru all my paperwork looking for proof that Jesse is

the s/o Thomas.  I know Rob says he has the will of Thomas but I cannot
find it, it may be here somewhere.  Is Jesse listed there?

It has recently come to light that Thos's bro Rob't also had a son
Jesse, as proven in a lawsuit of 1779, Children of estate of Rob't v.
Mary, relict, and Thomas, extrs.  Jesse is listed as a son.  Then I have
found the desertion of him, from Amherst, which was fwd'd in the VA
Gazette em, then a m.on 1 Dec. 1808 in Bedford Co., to Sally Giles.

What I was wondering, is there one Jesse, or two?  If he is listed in
Thos. will, then we know there are two.  K


Subj:  Re: Jesse Johns
Date: 4/28/98 12:10:14 PM Central Daylight Time
From: ksalisbury@ccsinc.com (Karen L. Salisbury)
Reply-to: ksalisbury@ccsinc.com
To: RJohns24@aol.com (RJohns24)
CC: Aor7capt@aol.com, HJohns3@aol.com, McoleMD@compuserve.com, gmjohns@wwd.net, Bebenjohn@aol.com, Jrn2217@aol.com, JPayne5744@aol.com (Joe Payne)

AMHURST COUNTY, VIRGINIA IN THE REVOLUTION
   Including extracts from the "Lost Order Book" 1773-1782 by Lenora
Higginbotham Sweeney, c. 1951

November Court, 1779.  The following persons were sworn as a Grand Jury
for the body of this County to-wit:  Lucas Powell, Foreman, Nathan
Crawford, William Bibb, Nicholas Wren, Abner Witt, Richard Oglesbey,
Noell Johnson, John Cartwright, William Lee, James Watson, Lindsey
Coleman, Nicholas Moran, James Hopkins, Robert Wright, Linn Banks,
George Gilbert, James London & John Turner.
       Henry Martin Qualified as Vestryman of Amhurst Parish.

William Booth & Judith his wife, John Richardson & Mary his wife, Robert
Johns, William Johns, Jesse Johns, Nathanial Booth & Elizabeth his wife,
Martha Johns an infant by John Richardson, her next friend, Francis
Johns, John Alexander Johns, Nancy Johns, Salley Johns, and Bartlett
Johns.  Infants by William Booth, their next friend,
Plft.---Against---Mary Johns, Admx, of Robert Johns, Decd., and Thomas
Johns Heir in Law of the said deceased, Dfts.---In Chancery---Mary Johns
Admx. ordered to make an Acct. of the estate of Robert Johns, Decd., on
Oath before Drury Christian, Charles Christian, John Christian
(Buffaloe), and they will have authority to divide the Estate of her
said husband having regard to her Dower.

If this is the same Jesse who went to TN to Joe Payne's neighborhood,
and was considered a Melungeon, this could be very interesting.

RJohns24 wrote:

> Dear Karen,
>
> You are a living wonder.  The discovery you have made regarding the
> Jesse, son of Robert Sr, is absolutely amazing, and it explains the Jesse Johns
> of Bedford, which has stumpped me for some time.  I am pasting your msg
> below, for reference while writing this.
>
> I have been going thru all my paperwork looking for proof that Jesse
> is the s/o Thomas.  I know Rob says he has the will of Thomas but I
> cannot find it, it may be here somewhere.  Is Jesse listed there?
>
> It has recently come to light that Thos's bro Rob't also had a son
> Jesse, as proven in a lawsuit of 1779, Children of estate of Rob't v.
> Mary, relict, and Thomas, extrs.  Jesse is listed as a son.  Then I
> have found the desertion of him, from Amherst, which was fwd'd in the VA
> Gazette em, then a m.on 1 Dec. 1808 in Bedford Co., to Sally Giles.
>
> What I was wondering, is there one Jesse, or two?  If he is listed in
> Thos. will, then we know there are two.  K
>
> I don't recall that I ever said that I had the will of Thomas Sr of
> Cumberland.  If I did, it was a mistake.  Thomas Sr. of Cumberland d.
> intestate.  However his oldest son, Thomas, whom I believe to be
> Thomas Jefferson Johns, did leave a will.  Perhaps this may have been the
> will I mentioned.  Robert Newsome and his sister Bebe Fox, believe they are
> descended from Jesse Johns of Bedford and they have been trying hard, for
> several years now, to make a connection to his ancestors.  Your find explains the
> Jesse of Bedford.  My Jesse the son of Thomas Sr of Cumberland went to Newberry
> Co, SC about 1800.  I picked up on him from " Glenn and Kin" the book I
> mentioned in my shotgun msg that contained the foreword of the same.  I was then
> able to trace back to Thomas Sr. and the Cumberland deeds of Jesse of Thomas
> filled in  the rest of the story.  The email addresses of Bob Newsome and Bebe
> Fox appear in the CC box of this msg.  I had lost contact with Bob because i had
> misinterpreted his email address.  The one above is correct.

I sometimes get confused there are so many Thomas's and Roberts.

> I am sure you have the documentation for the court case, "Jesse, as
> proven in a lawsuit of 1779, Children of estate of Rob't v.Mary, relict, and
> Thomas, extrs.  Jesse is listed as a son."  Please give us the reference so we
> can get the document, or better yet, can you copy it and trasmit by email?  I
> believe you will find that the Thomas mentioned in this lawsuit is Thomas Sr.
> of Cumberland, and not Thomas Sr of Amherst.

Huh?  We need to do some simple, unconfused recapping here.  I have them
as one and the same.  Unless I am confused, which I might well be.  Send
me a simple outline from Richard, possible s/o Roger, down abt 3 of 4
gen.  Let me take a look by comparing.  I will send mine as well if you
want.

> Thomas Sr. of Cumberland appears to
> have been the oldest son of William and Ann Johns of King William.

No, these are the Amherst folks proven by the children's names and their
spouses.

>
>
>  This is an amazing find!  I thought I had copies of all of the Johns
> documents from both Amherst and Cumberland, perhaps you found this in
> Bedford.
> How many children of Robert Sr. of Amherst entered into this suit?
> Was
> William M Johns included?  What about Joseph and Benjamin, whom we
> could never
> trace?

William is listed there with all the others which makes me believe he is
legit, not from the wrong side of the sheets, so to speak.  The younger
two, if they ever existed, we must assume they died in early childhood,
or Houck was incorrect.  Either way it doesn't matter as we know they
never reached maturity or produced issue to confuse us more.

>
>
> You are now Genealogist of the Year,  Rob

Thank you, but I didn't find it, a good friend did.

>
>
> P. S.  Make sure you read Bob Newsomes email address as, J R N not Jm,
> the
> mistake I made. (Jrn, Jm}

Subj: More onJesse Johns
Date: 4/28/98 10:42:21 PM Central Daylight Time
From: Aor7capt To: Johns Research Group

AMHURST COUNTY, VIRGINIA IN THE REVOLUTION
Including extracts from the "Lost Order Book" 1773-1782 by Lenora Higginbotham Sweeney, c. 1951

November Court, 1779. The following persons were sworn as a Grand Jury for the body of this County to-wit: Lucas Powell, Foreman, Nathan Crawford, William Bibb, Nicholas Wren, Abner Witt, Richard Oglesbey, Noell Johnson, John Cartwright, William Lee, James Watson, Lindsey Coleman, Nicholas Moran, James Hopkins, Robert Wright, Linn Banks, George Gilbert, James London & John Turner. Henry Martin Qualified as Vestryman of Amhurst Parish.

William Booth & Judith his wife, John Richardson & Mary his wife, Robert Johns, William Johns, Jesse Johns, Nathanial Booth & Elizabeth his wife, Martha Johns an infant by John Richardson, her next friend, Francis Johns, John Alexander Johns, Nancy Johns, Salley Johns, and Bartlett Johns. Infants by William Booth, their next friend, Plft.---Against---Mary Johns, Admx, of Robert Johns, Decd., and Thomas Johns Heir in Law of the said deceased, Dfts.---In Chancery---Mary Johns Admx. ordered to make an Acct. of the estate of Robert Johns, Decd., on Oath before Drury Christian, Charles Christian, John Christian (Buffaloe), and they will have authority to divide the Estate of her said husband having regard to her Dower.

If this is the same Jesse who went to TN to Joe Payne's neighborhood, and was considered a Melungeon, this could be very interesting.

Subj: Jesse Johns, and then there were three?
Date: 4/28/98 10:43:55 PM Central Daylight Time
From: Aor7capt To: Johns Research Group

Could there be THREE by the name of Jesse Johns! My first cousin, Bob Newsome's research, shows that our Jesse probably lived in Albemarle Cty., the part which became Buckingham, on the Appomattox and Holliday rivers. After he served as a private in the Rev. War he puchased land on Little Falling Creek in Campbell Cty. and remained there until his death in 1800. His wf was Sarah Sanders. We are from Stephen Sanders Johns who m. Sarah Elizabeth DePriest.

I'm sure that Bob will be in touch with the group tonight. He has interesting documentation and has traveled the area.

Bebe Fox

Subj: Jesse Johns
Date: 4/30/98 6:33:00 AM Central Daylight Time
From: Bebenjohn
To: Johns Research Group

Before my cousin, Bob/Robert Newsome joined the Johns research group I posed the question t0 him..........could there have been THREE by the name of Jesse Johns in Virginia. Here is his reply.

"Absolutely. Jesse of Cumberland, Jesse of Amherst/Bedford and our Jesse of Campbell (actually three Jesse's in Campbell: Jesse, Sr., Jesse, Jr. and Jesse Burton)."

Bebe Fox

Subj: Another Jesse JOHNS
Date: 4/30/98 3:20:02 PM Central Daylight Time
From: bagdad@tdo.infi.net (Rod Willis)
To: Johns Research Group

Hey Guys, I got a Jesse too. Found the following legal notice in the Georgia Journal, a Milledgeville newspaper:

Tuesday April 10th 1838

Georgia, Burke County: Will be sold before the courthouse door in said county on the first Tuesday in July next, between the legal hours of sale, all the property belonging to the estate of Jonathan JOHNS, late of said county, deceased. Sold for the benefit of the heirs and creditors of said estate.

(signed) Jesse JOHNS, Adm.

Do I get a whoopee button like BeBe?

rw, USMC

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